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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Sin

 

Christians are sometimes asked by people, what the big deal with sin is. Why did someone have to die for us? The response is often, that God is holy and can't be around sin. But is that the most biblical response? If God can't be around sin, how do we explain Job 1:6 & 7 (ESV)

6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7The LORD said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."

If God can't be around sin, why is Satan in his presence? Because I hate to make doctrine out of just one verse, or in this case two verses, is there another part in scripture that has Satan in God's presence? How about this one?

Job 2:1 & 2 (ESV)

1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD. 2And the LORD said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.

This is the second time that Satan comes before God. But are there any instances, not in the Book of Job, that a sinful being is in God's presence? Try this passage.

Revelation 12:7-9 (ESV)

7Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world— he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

So, if you are one of those, who takes the Book of Revelation literally, than this means that at one time, Satan was in Heaven. God seems to be spending an awful lot of time, with Satan, for someone who can't be around sin.

Besides, if you don't like these scriptures, how about the fact that the Bible seems to refer to God being omnipresent. If God is truly omnipresent, than that means He literally has no way to escape from sin, apart from making us all sinless beings. As He has not done so, from the fall of man, until He does make us sinless beings, he has been around sin. So this brings us back to the original question. Why did someone have to die? What is the big deal about sin?

Sin has yet to result in anything good. Sin has always had bad consequences. I think though, that we can reveal God's motives and plan for sin, if we look at his response to the fall of Adam & Eve.

Genesis 3:22-24 (ESV)

22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—" 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

God sent Christ to die, not because He can't be around sin. But because He does not want us to live forever with the consequence of sin. God knew, that the evilness of sin, that the consequences that sin does to us, would make us miserable, if we could live forever in a sinful state. So to break the power of sin, to make it possible to get forgiveness for our sin, someone would have to die, and pay the penalty for the sin that we have done. So it is not that God can't be in the presence of sin, but that God did not want us to have to live in the torment and pain of sin  for all of eternity.

Does that make any sense?

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Yes, it makes sense to me.  But, I think the reason Christians in general tend to be uncomfortable with the idea and cling instead to doctrines of "God can't be in the presence of sin," is because anything else would lead to questions that they don't want to deal with.  Questions that don't bother people like you & I, who know what we believe and more importantly, *why* we believe it.  But there are too many Christians who don't know *why* they believe what they believe, and are unwilling to deal with that question.  So the questions make them squeamish, because they don't know the answers, and they are afraid of them. 

Questions like... if God doesn't want us to live with sinfulness, why doesn't he just snap his fingers and make it go away or something?  Why did he have to send Jesus to die in order to make it go away?  Why does a price have to be paid at all; if he is God and has power over everything and created everything, why can't he just say, okay, there is no debt (sin)? 

See, this idea that you have presented here, implies that there is something more powerful than God - or at least something that God can't control.  It's about natural law, things that are the way they are just because they are.  C. S. Lewis explains this principle a lot better than I ever could, but the bottom line is - the questions lead people to an understanding that God doesn't fit in the neat little box their church put him in.

And people don't like to hear that.

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I have never heard anyone ask any christian that question though i have no problem believing that they have.  I have also never heard "god can't be around sin". That makes no sense to me, none at all. 


Your explanation is what I had always heard and believed when it came to that topic.
Posted 6/23/2009 4:07 PM by A_DistantMemory - reply

There is an aspect of this you have not considered.  In the garden Adam and Eve were innocent but not righteous. After the garden they were neither innocent or righteous.  The temptation proved that Jesus was both innocent and righteous. To be righteous means that sin has been faced and resisted.  Sin in our life is rather like the weights in a gym, it provides the weight that we must resist to grow strong.  When we see sin we have the opportunity to see the horribleness of sin. When we resist sin we grow spiritually stronger.  If God had made a world without sin-think of the garden without the tree- there would not have been any sin but we would have remained spiritual infants without any spiritual stregnth. 


In college I saw children that were severly mentally retarded.  Their brains never developed after they were born. They were considered tragic cases. When we wish for this world without sin we wish to be severly spiritually retarded. God set up a world that saved us from that fate.



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